click or call. >> mitt romney after the presidential debate on wednesday both sides of the aisle saying he's the winner and four days until the vp debate and all eyes are on and will biden keep that going? >> joining us is chris wallace, nice to see you. >> hi, guys, who would have thought now that we would be saying that can vice-president joe biden help salvage some of the debate rhetoric this week? joe biden now has to try to help out the obama administration. what do you make of this, chris? >> well, you're exactly right. obama had a bad first debate and you don't want to have two bad debates in a row. i don't think that biden will. you know, it's interesting, i interviewed paul ryan last week and talked to him about, about biden and i said what do you think of biden? you've been studying him obviously and prepping for him. he said, look, he's a very experienced guy and been in this for 40 years and you're not going to throw him off his game. and i said, yeah, how about the gaffes? he says he makes those in exte extempraneous on the stump and i don't think that he was spinning me, a